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(09.30)

1.

Introductions, apologies, substitutions and declarations of interest

Minutes:

1.1        The Chair welcomed Members to the meeting.

1.2        Apologies were received from Lynne Neagle AM, Huw Irranca-Davies AM attended as substitute.

 

(09.30-15.30)

2.

Health and Social Care (Quality and Engagement) (Wales) Bill: Stage 2 Proceedings

Vaughan Gething AM, Minister for Health and Social Services
Sioned Rees, Senior Responsible Officer, Health and Social Care (Quality and Engagement) (Wales) Bill – Welsh Government

Catrin Gwyn, Lawyer – Welsh Government

 

The Health, Social Care and Sport Committee agreed on 11 December 2019, under Standing Order 26.21, that the order of consideration for Stage 2 proceedings will be: Sections 2 to 12; Schedule 1; Sections 13 to 21; Schedule 2 ; Sections 22 to 25; Schedule 3; Sections 26 to 28; Section 1; Long title

 

Paper 1 – Marshalled list of Amendments

Paper 2 – Groupings of Amendments

Paper 3 – Voting order for tabled amendments

 

Health and Social Care (Quality and Engagement) (Wales) Bill, as introduced

 

Health and Social Care (Quality and Engagement) (Wales) Bill – Explanatory Memorandum

Supporting documents:

Minutes:

2.1  In accordance with Standing Order 26.21, the Committee disposed of the following amendments to the Bill:

 

Amendment 19 (Helen Mary Jones)

 

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Angela Burns

David Rees

Helen Mary Jones

Huw Irranca-Davies

 

Dai Lloyd

Jayne Bryant

As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20 (ii)). Therefore amendment 19 was not agreed.

 

Amendment 20 (Helen Mary Jones)

 

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Angela Burns

David Rees

 

Helen Mary Jones

Huw Irranca-Davies

 

Dai Lloyd

Jayne Bryant

 

As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20 (ii)).  Therefore amendment 20 was not agreed.

 

 

 

 

Amendment 21 (Helen Mary Jones)

 

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Angela Burns

David Rees

 

Helen Mary Jones

Huw Irranca-Davies

 

Dai Lloyd

Jayne Bryant

 

As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20 (ii)).  Therefore amendment 21 was not agreed.

 

Amendment 22 (Helen Mary Jones)

 

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Angela Burns

David Rees

 

Helen Mary Jones

Huw Irranca-Davies

 

Dai Lloyd

Jayne Bryant

 

As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20 (ii)). Therefore amendment 22 was not agreed.

 

Amendment 23 (Helen Mary Jones)

 

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Angela Burns

David Rees

 

Helen Mary Jones

Huw Irranca-Davies

 

Dai Lloyd

Jayne Bryant

 

As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20 (ii)).  Therefore amendment 23 was not agreed.

 

Amendment 24 (Helen Mary Jones)

 

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Angela Burns

David Rees

 

Helen Mary Jones

Huw Irranca-Davies

 

Dai Lloyd

Jayne Bryant

 

As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20 (ii)).  Therefore amendment 24 was not agreed.

 

Amendment 25 (Helen Mary Jones)

 

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Angela Burns

David Rees

 

Helen Mary Jones

Huw Irranca-Davies

 

Dai Lloyd

Jayne Bryant

 

As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20 (ii)).  Therefore amendment 25 was not agreed.

 

Amendment 26 (Helen Mary Jones)

 

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Angela Burns

David Rees

 

Helen Mary Jones

Huw Irranca-Davies

 

Dai Lloyd

Jayne Bryant

 

As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20 (ii)).  Therefore amendment 26 was not agreed.

 

Amendment 27 (Helen Mary Jones)

 

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Angela Burns

David Rees

 

Helen Mary Jones

Huw Irranca-Davies

 

Dai Lloyd

Jayne Bryant

 

As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20 (ii)). Therefore amendment 27 was not agreed.

 

 

 

Amendment 28 (Helen Mary Jones)

 

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Angela Burns

David Rees

 

Helen Mary Jones

Huw Irranca-Davies

 

Dai Lloyd

Jayne Bryant

 

As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20 (ii)). Therefore amendment 28 was not agreed.

 

Amendment 29 (Helen Mary Jones)

 

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Angela Burns

David Rees

 

Helen Mary Jones

Huw Irranca-Davies

 

Dai Lloyd

Jayne Bryant

 

As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20 (ii)).  Therefore amendment 29 was not agreed.

 

Amendment 30 (Helen Mary Jones)

 

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Angela Burns

David Rees

 

Helen Mary Jones

Huw Irranca-Davies

 

Dai Lloyd

Jayne Bryant

 

As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20 (ii)).  Therefore amendment 30 was not agreed.

 

Amendment 4 (Vaughan Gething)

 

In Favour

Against

Abstain

David Rees

Angela Burns

 

Huw Irranca-Davies

Helen Mary Jones

 

Jayne Bryant

Dai Lloyd

 

As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20 (ii)).  Therefore amendment 4 was not agreed.

 

Amendment 31 (Helen Mary Jones)

 

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Angela Burns

David Rees

 

Helen Mary Jones

Huw Irranca-Davies

 

Dai Lloyd

Jayne Bryant

 

As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20 (ii)).  Therefore amendment 31 was not agreed.

 

Amendment 32 (Helen Mary Jones)

 

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Angela Burns

David Rees

 

Helen Mary Jones

Huw Irranca-Davies

 

Dai Lloyd

Jayne Bryant

 

As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20 (ii)).  Therefore amendment 32 was not agreed.

 

Amendment 33 (Helen Mary Jones)

 

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Angela Burns

David Rees

 

Helen Mary Jones

Huw Irranca-Davies

 

Dai Lloyd

Jayne Bryant

 

As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20 (ii)).  Therefore amendment 33 was not agreed.

 

 

Amendment 34 (Helen Mary Jones)

 

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Angela Burns

David Rees

 

Helen Mary Jones

Huw Irranca-Davies

 

Dai Lloyd

Jayne Bryant

 

As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20 (ii)).  Therefore amendment 34 was not agreed.

 

Amendment 35 (Helen Mary Jones)

 

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Angela Burns

David Rees

 

Helen Mary Jones

Huw Irranca-Davies

 

Dai Lloyd

Jayne Bryant

 

As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20 (ii)).  Therefore amendment 35 was not agreed.

 

Amendment 36 (Helen Mary Jones)

 

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Angela Burns

David Rees

 

Helen Mary Jones

Huw Irranca-Davies

 

Dai Lloyd

Jayne Bryant

 

As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20 (ii)).  Therefore amendment 36 was not agreed.

 

Amendment 5 (Vaughan Gething) was not moved.

 

 

 

 

 

Amendment 37 (Helen Mary Jones)

 

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Angela Burns

David Rees

 

Helen Mary Jones

Huw Irranca-Davies

 

Dai Lloyd

Jayne Bryant

 

As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20 (ii)).  Therefore amendment 37 was not agreed.

 

Amendment 38 (Helen Mary Jones)

 

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Angela Burns

David Rees

 

Helen Mary Jones

Huw Irranca-Davies

 

Dai Lloyd

Jayne Bryant

 

As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20 (ii)).  Therefore amendment 38 was not agreed.

 

Amendment 39 (Helen Mary Jones)

 

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Angela Burns

David Rees

 

Helen Mary Jones

Huw Irranca-Davies

 

Dai Lloyd

Jayne Bryant

 

As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20 (ii)).  Therefore amendment 39 was not agreed.

 

Amendment 40 (Helen Mary Jones)

 

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Angela Burns

David Rees

 

Helen Mary Jones

Huw Irranca-Davies

 

Dai Lloyd

Jayne Bryant

 

As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20 (ii)).  Therefore amendment 40 was not agreed.

 

Amendment 41 (Helen Mary Jones)

 

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Angela Burns

David Rees

 

Helen Mary Jones

Huw Irranca-Davies

 

Dai Lloyd

Jayne Bryant

 

As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20 (ii)).  Therefore amendment 41 was not agreed.

 

Amendment 42 (Helen Mary Jones)

 

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Angela Burns

David Rees

 

Helen Mary Jones

Huw Irranca-Davies

 

Dai Lloyd

Jayne Bryant

 

As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20 (ii)).  Therefore amendment 42 was not agreed.

 

Amendment 6 (Vaughan Gething) was not moved.

 

Amendment 7 (Vaughan Gething) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

 

Amendment 43 (Helen Mary Jones) was withdrawn in accordance with Standing Order 26.66(i).

 

 

 

 

Amendment 67 (Angela Burns)

 

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Angela Burns

David Rees

 

Helen Mary Jones

Huw Irranca-Davies

 

Dai Lloyd

Jayne Bryant

 

As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20 (ii)).  Therefore amendment 67 was not agreed.

 

Amendment 68 (Angela Burns)

 

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Angela Burns

David Rees

 

Helen Mary Jones

Huw Irranca-Davies

 

Dai Lloyd

Jayne Bryant

 

As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20 (ii)).  Therefore amendment 68 was not agreed.

 

Amendment 69 (Angela Burns)

 

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Angela Burns

David Rees

 

Helen Mary Jones

Huw Irranca-Davies

 

Dai Lloyd

Jayne Bryant

 

As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20 (ii)).  Therefore amendment 69 was not agreed.

 

Amendment 70 (Angela Burns)

 

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Angela Burns

David Rees

 

Helen Mary Jones

Huw Irranca-Davies

 

Dai Lloyd

Jayne Bryant

 

As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20 (ii)).  Therefore amendment 70 was not agreed.

 

Amendment 71 (Angela Burns)

 

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Angela Burns

David Rees

 

Helen Mary Jones

Huw Irranca-Davies

 

Dai Lloyd

Jayne Bryant

 

As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20 (ii)).  Therefore amendment 71 was not agreed.

 

Amendment 72 (Angela Burns) was withdrawn in accordance with Standing Order 26.66(i).

 

Amendment 44 (Helen Mary Jones)

 

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Angela Burns

David Rees

 

Helen Mary Jones

Huw Irranca-Davies

 

Dai Lloyd

Jayne Bryant

 

As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20 (ii)).  Therefore amendment 44 was not agreed.

 

Amendment 9 (Vaughan Gething)

 

In Favour

Against

Abstain

David Rees

Angela Burns

 

Huw Irranca-Davies

Helen Mary Jones

 

Jayne Bryant

Dai Lloyd

 

As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20 (ii)). Therefore amendment 9 was not agreed.

 

Amendment 58 (Helen Mary Jones)

 

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Angela Burns

David Rees

 

Helen Mary Jones

Huw Irranca-Davies

 

Dai Lloyd

Jayne Bryant

 

As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20 (ii)).  Therefore amendment 58 was not agreed.

 

Amendment 80 (Angela Burns)

 

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Angela Burns

David Rees

 

Helen Mary Jones

Huw Irranca-Davies

 

Dai Lloyd

Jayne Bryant

 

As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20 (ii)).  Therefore amendment 80 was not agreed.

 

Amendment 81 (Angela Burns)

 

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Angela Burns

David Rees

 

Helen Mary Jones

Huw Irranca-Davies

 

Dai Lloyd

Jayne Bryant

 

As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20 (ii)).  Therefore amendment 81 was not agreed.

 

 

 

Amendment 82 (Angela Burns)

 

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Angela Burns

David Rees

 

Helen Mary Jones

Huw Irranca-Davies

 

Dai Lloyd

Jayne Bryant

 

As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20 (ii)).  Therefore amendment 82 was not agreed.

 

Amendment 10 (Vaughan Gething)

 

In Favour

Against

Abstain

David Rees

Angela Burns

 

Huw Irranca-Davies

Helen Mary Jones

 

Jayne Bryant

Dai Lloyd

 

As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20 (ii)).  Therefore amendment 10 was not agreed.

 

Amendment 11 (Vaughan Gething) was not moved.

 

Amendment 12 (Vaughan Gething) was not moved.

 

Amendment 59 (Helen Mary Jones) was not moved.

 

Amendment 13 (Vaughan Gething) was not moved.

 

Amendment 60 (Helen Mary Jones) was not moved.

 

Amendment 61 (Helen Mary Jones) was not moved.

 

Amendment 62 (Helen Mary Jones) was not moved.

 

Amendment 14 (Vaughan Gething) was not moved.

 

Amendment 63 (Helen Mary Jones) was not moved.

 

Amendment 15 (Vaughan Gething) was not moved.

 

Amendment 16 (Vaughan Gething) was not moved.

 

Amendment 64 (Helen Mary Jones) was not moved.

 

Amendment 65 (Helen Mary Jones) was not moved.

 

Amendment 83 (Angela Burns) was withdrawn in accordance with Standing Order 26.66(i).

 

Amendment 17 (Vaughan Gething) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

 

Amendment 84 (Angela Burns)

 

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Angela Burns

David Rees

Helen Mary Jones

 

Huw Irranca-Davies

Dai Lloyd

 

Jayne Bryant

 

Amendment 84 was not agreed

 

Amendment 85 (Angela Burns) was not moved.

 

Amendment 18 (Vaughan Gething) was not moved.

 

Amendment 45 (Helen Mary Jones) was withdrawn in accordance with Standing Order 26.66(i).

 

Amendment 73 (Angela Burns) was not moved.

 

Amendment 1 (Vaughan Gething)

 

In Favour

Against

Abstain

David Rees

Angela Burns

 

Jayne Bryant

Helen Mary Jones

 

Huw Irranca-Davies

Dai Lloyd

 

As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20 (ii)).  Therefore amendment 1 was not agreed.

 

Amendment 46 (Helen Mary Jones) was withdrawn in accordance with Standing Order 26.66(i).

 

Amendment 74 (Angela Burns)

 

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Angela Burns

David Rees

 

Helen Mary Jones

Huw Irranca-Davies

 

Dai Lloyd

Jayne Bryant

 

As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20 (ii)).  Therefore amendment 74 was not agreed.

 

Amendment 47 (Helen Mary Jones)

 

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Angela Burns

David Rees

 

Helen Mary Jones

Huw Irranca-Davies

 

Dai Lloyd

Jayne Bryant

 

As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20 (ii)).  Therefore amendment 47 was not agreed.

 

Amendment 2 (Vaughan Gething)

 

In Favour

Against

Abstain

David Rees

Angela Burns

 

Jayne Bryant

Helen Mary Jones

 

Huw Irranca-Davies

Dai Lloyd

 

As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20 (ii)).  Therefore amendment 2 was not agreed.

 

Amendment 75 (Angela Burns) was withdrawn in accordance with Standing Order 26.66(i).

 

Amendment 3 (Vaughan Gething)

 

In Favour

Against

Abstain

David Rees

Angela Burns

 

Jayne Bryant

Helen Mary Jones

 

Huw Irranca-Davies

Dai Lloyd

 

As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20 (ii)).  Therefore amendment 3 was not agreed.

 

Amendment 48 (Helen Mary Jones) was not moved.

 

Amendment 49 (Helen Mary Jones) was withdrawn in accordance with Standing Order 26.66(i).

 

Amendment 76 (Angela Burns)

 

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Angela Burns

David Rees

Helen Mary Jones

Huw Irranca-Davies

Dai Lloyd

 

Jayne Bryant

 

Amendment 76 was not agreed

 

Amendment 77 (Angela Burns) was withdrawn in accordance with Standing Order 26.66(i).

 

Amendment 50 (Helen Mary Jones) was withdrawn in accordance with Standing Order 26.66(i).

 

Amendment 51 (Helen Mary Jones) was not moved.

 

Amendment 52 (Helen Mary Jones) was not moved.

 

Amendment 53 (Helen Mary Jones) was withdrawn in accordance with Standing Order 26.66(i).

 

Amendment 54 (Helen Mary Jones) was not moved.

 

Amendment 55 (Helen Mary Jones) was not moved.

Amendment 56 (Helen Mary Jones) was not moved.

 

Amendment 78 (Angela Burns) was not moved.

 

Amendment 57 (Helen Mary Jones) was not moved.

 

Amendment 79 (Angela Burns)

 

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Angela Burns

David Rees

 

Helen Mary Jones

Jayne Bryant

 

Dai Lloyd

Huw Irranca-Davies

 

As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20 (ii)).  Therefore amendment 79 was not agreed.

 

Amendment 66 (Helen Mary Jones)

 

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Angela Burns

David Rees

 

Helen Mary Jones

Jayne Bryant

 

Dai Lloyd

Huw Irranca-Davies

 

As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20 (ii)).  Therefore amendment 66 was not agreed.

Amendment 8 (Vaughan Gething) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

 

2.2  At the beginning of the discussion on the amendments within Group 8: Citizen Voice Body - members, Jayne Bryant AM, under Standing Order 17.24A, declared that her mother is Chair of the Newport Area Branch of the Aneurin Bevan Community Health Council.

2.3 During the discussion on the amendments within Group 9: Citizen Voice Body - indemnity cover for volunteers and staff, Vaughan Gething AM, Minister for Health and Social Services agreed to provide a note to the Committee ahead of Stage 3 proceedings to clarify how the Citizens Voice Body will provide indemnity cover for volunteers and staff. 

 

2.4 The Chair confirmed that all sections and schedules of the Bill have been deemed agreed, completing Stage 2 proceedings.

 

 

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