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Transcript: Transcript for 15/07/2020 - Plenary - Fifth Senedd
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This meeting was held in a hybrid format, with some Members in the Senedd Chamber and others joining by video-conference. |
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(45 mins) |
Questions to the First Minister The Presiding Officer will call Party Leaders to
ask questions without notice to the First Minister after Question 2. Supporting documents: Minutes: The item started at
10.01 The first 8 questions were asked. The Presiding Officer invited party leaders to ask questions to the First Minister after question 2 |
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Business Statement and Announcement Supporting documents: Minutes: The item started at
11.08 |
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Questions to the Minister for Economy, Transport and North Wales The
Presiding Officer will call party spokespeople to ask questions without notice
after Question 2. Minutes: The item started at
11.27 The first 9
questions were asked. Questions 5 and 8 were answered by the Deputy Minister
for Economy and Transport. The Presiding Officer invited party spokespeople to
ask questions to the Minister after question 2. |
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Questions to the Counsel General and Minister for European Transition (in respect of his European Transition Minister responsibilities) The
Presiding Officer will call party spokespeople to ask questions without notice
after Question 2. Minutes: The item started at
12.15 The first 9
questions were asked. Questions 5 and 7 were grouped together for answer. The Presiding
Officer invited party spokespeople to ask questions to the Minister after
question 2. At 13.01, the
meeting was suspended until 13.45 |
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Llywydd statement The
Llywydd stated that she was aware that the Minister for Health and Social
Services had today issued a written statement, ‘Wales Covid-19 Testing Strategy’,
and that given previous comments from Members, including on the Business
Statement and Announcement earlier today, Ministers should ensure that
important announcements are made directly to Members in the Chamber. The
Llywydd stated that she would extend today’s Topical Question (testing for care
home staff) to allow Members to ask questions of the Government on the written
statement. |
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Statement by the First Minister: The Legislative Programme Minutes: The item started at
13.46 |
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Topical Questions To
ask the Minister for Health and Social Services Janet
Finch-Saunders (Aberconwy): Will
the Minister make a statement on weekly Covid-19 testing for care home staff? To
ask the Minister for International Relations and the Welsh Language; to be
answered by the Deputy Minister for Culture, Sport and Tourism Alun
Davies (Blaenau Gwent): Will
the Minister make a statement on the Welsh Government's approach to media
policy and support for the media industry following the recent series of
redundancies? Minutes: The item started at 14.46 To ask the Minister
for Health and Social Services Janet
Finch-Saunders (Aberconwy): Will the Minister make a statement on weekly
Covid-19 testing for care home staff? To ask the Minister
for International Relations and the Welsh Language; to be answered by the
Deputy Minister for Culture, Sport and Tourism Alun Davies
(Blaenau Gwent): Will the Minister make a statement on the Welsh
Government's approach to media policy and support for the media industry
following the recent series of redundancies? |
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Proposal under Standing Order 12.24 to debate the following together but with separate votes - WITHDRAWN |
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The Health Protection (Coronavirus Restrictions) (Wales) (Amendment) (No. 6) Regulations 2020 - WITHDRAWN NDM7349 Rebecca
Evans (Gower) To propose that the Senedd, in accordance
with Standing Order 27.5: 1. Approves The Health Protection
(Coronavirus Restrictions) (Wales) (Amendment) (No. 6) Regulations 2020 laid
in the Table Office on 22 June 2020. Supporting Documents Minutes: This item was withdrawn |
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The Health Protection (Coronavirus Restrictions) (Wales) (Amendment) (No.7) Regulations 2020 - WITHDRAWN NDM7350 Rebecca
Evans (Gower) To propose that the Senedd, in accordance
with Standing Order 27.5: 1. Approves The Health Protection
(Coronavirus Restrictions) (Wales) (Amendment) (No. 7) Regulations 2020 laid
in the Table Office on 3 July 2020. Minutes: This item was withdrawn |
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Proposal to debate the following items together but with separate votes: (15 mins) |
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The Curriculum Requirements (Amendment of paragraph 7(5) of Schedule 17 to the Coronavirus Act 2020) (Wales) Regulations 2020 NDM7347 Rebecca
Evans (Gower) To propose that the Senedd, in accordance
with Standing Order 27.5: 1. Approves The Curriculum Requirements
(Amendment of paragraph 7(5) of Schedule 17 to the Coronavirus Act 2020)
(Wales) Regulations 2020 laid
in the Table Office on 22 June 2020. Supporting
Documents Minutes: The item started at 15.31 NDM7347 Rebecca Evans (Gower) To propose that the
Senedd, in accordance with Standing Order 27.5: 1. Approves The
Curriculum Requirements (Amendment of paragraph 7(5) of Schedule 17 to the
Coronavirus Act 2020) (Wales) Regulations 2020 laid in the Table
Office on 22 June 2020. The motion was
agreed in accordance with Standing Order 12.36. |
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The Maintained Schools (Amendment of Paragraph 7 of Schedule 17 to the Coronavirus Act 2020) (Wales) Regulations 2020 NDM7348 Rebecca
Evans (Gower) To propose that the Senedd, in accordance
with Standing Order 27.5: 1. Approves The Maintained Schools (Amendment
of paragraph 7 of Schedule 17 to the Coronavirus Act 2020) (Wales) Regulations
2020 laid
in the Table Office on 25 June 2020. Minutes: The item started at 15.31 NDM7348 Rebecca Evans (Gower) To propose that the
Senedd, in accordance with Standing Order 27.5: 1. Approves The
Maintained Schools (Amendment of paragraph 7 of Schedule 17 to the Coronavirus
Act 2020) (Wales) Regulations 2020 laid in the Table
Office on 25 June 2020. The motion was
agreed in accordance with Standing Order 12.36. |
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The Town and Country Planning (Fees for Applications, Deemed Applications and Site Visits) (Wales) (Amendment) Regulations 2020 NDM7346 Rebecca
Evans (Gower) To propose that the Senedd, in accordance
with Standing Order 27.5: 1. Approves that the draft The Town and
Country Planning (Fees for Applications, Deemed Applications and Site Visits)
(Wales) (Amendment) Regulations 2020 is made in accordance with the draft laid
in the Table Office on 24 June 2020. Minutes: The item started at 15.42 Voting on the
motion under this item was deferred until Voting Time. NDM7346 Rebecca
Evans (Gower) To propose that the
Senedd, in accordance with Standing Order 27.5: 1. Approves that
the draft The Town and Country Planning (Fees for Applications, Deemed
Applications and Site Visits) (Wales) (Amendment) Regulations 2020 is made in
accordance with the draft laid in the Table Office on 24 June
2020. The result was as
follows:
The motion was agreed. |
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(15 mins) |
Debate: Stage 4 on the Wild Animals and Circuses (Wales) Bill NDM7357
Lesley
Griffiths (Wrexham) To
propose that the Senedd in accordance with Standing Order 26.47: Approves
the Wild Animals and Circuses (Wales) Bill. Wild
Animals and Circuses (Wales) Bill, unamended at Stage 3 Supporting Document
Minutes: The item started at 15.48 In accordance with
Standing Order 26.50C a recorded vote was taken and voting on the item was
deferred until Voting Time NDM7357 Lesley Griffiths (Wrexham) To propose that the
Senedd in accordance with Standing Order 26.47: Approves the Wild
Animals and Circuses (Wales) Bill. Wild Animals and Circuses (Wales) Bill, unamended at Stage 3 The result was as
follows:
The motion was agreed. |
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(60 mins) |
Debate: Introducing 20mph Speed Limits in Wales NDM7355 Rebecca
Evans (Gower) To propose that the Senedd: 1. Welcomes the report of the Taskforce chaired
by Phil Jones setting out recommendations on how to change the default speed
limit for restricted roads in Wales to 20mph. 2. Notes the international research
which demonstrates the road safety benefits, including a reduction in child
deaths, of reducing default speed limits to 20mph. 3. Recognises the Welsh Government roll out
of 20mph pilot projects, as precursor to a default 20 mph speed limit across
Wales, and the future community benefits this will bring. 4. Supports the Welsh Government’s intention
to commence consultation on the proposed making of an order by statutory
instrument (which will require approval by a resolution of the Senedd) reducing
the general speed limit for restricted roads to 20 mph. The Taskforce’s
Report was emailed to Members on 8 July 2020. Add
as new point at end of motion: Calls
on the Welsh Government to set out its proposals as part of the consultation to
ensure that enforcement agencies have the appropriate resources to respond to
the proposed order. Minutes: The item started at 15.57 Voting on the
motion and amendments under this item was deferred until Voting Time. NDM7355 Rebecca Evans (Gower) To propose that the Senedd: 1. Welcomes the report of the Taskforce chaired by Phil Jones setting out
recommendations on how to change the default speed limit for restricted roads
in Wales to 20mph. 2. Notes the international research which demonstrates the road
safety benefits, including a reduction in child deaths, of reducing default
speed limits to 20mph. 3. Recognises the Welsh Government roll out of 20mph pilot projects, as
precursor to a default 20 mph speed limit across Wales, and the future
community benefits this will bring. 4. Supports the Welsh Government’s intention to commence consultation on
the proposed making of an order by statutory instrument (which will require
approval by a resolution of the Senedd) reducing the general speed limit for
restricted roads to 20 mph. The Taskforce’s Report was emailed to Members on 8 July 2020. The following amendments were tabled: Amendment 1 - Sian Gwenllian (Arfon) Add as new point at
end of motion: Calls on the Welsh
Government to set out its proposals as part of the consultation to ensure that
enforcement agencies have the appropriate resources to respond to the proposed
order A vote was taken on
amendment 1:
Amendment 1 was agreed. A
vote was taken on the motion as amended: NDM7355 Rebecca Evans (Gower) To propose that the Senedd: 1. Welcomes the report of the Taskforce chaired by
Phil Jones setting out recommendations on how to change the default speed limit
for restricted roads in Wales to 20mph. 2. Notes the international research which
demonstrates the road safety benefits, including a reduction in child deaths,
of reducing default speed limits to 20mph. 3. Recognises the Welsh Government roll out of 20mph
pilot projects, as precursor to a default 20 mph speed limit across Wales, and
the future community benefits this will bring. 4. Supports the Welsh Government’s intention to
commence consultation on the proposed making of an order by statutory
instrument (which will require approval by a resolution of the Senedd) reducing
the general speed limit for restricted roads to 20 mph. 5. Calls on the
Welsh Government to set out its proposals as part of the consultation to ensure
that enforcement agencies have the appropriate resources to respond to the
proposed order The Taskforce’s Report was emailed to Members on 8 July 2020.
The motion as amended was agreed. |
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Motion to amend Standing Order 18.10: Committee Functions Relating to the Oversight of the Wales Audit Office NDM7353 Elin
Jones (Ceredigion) To propose that the Senedd, in accordance
with Standing Order 33.2: 1. Considers the report of the Business
Committee ‘Chair of the Wales Audit Office (WAO) Board’ laid
in the Table Office on 8 July 2020. 2. Approves the proposals to amend Standing
Order 18, as set out in Annex A of the report of the Business Committee. Minutes: The item started at 16.55 Voting on the
motion under this item was deferred until Voting Time. NDM7353 Elin Jones (Ceredigion) To propose that the
Senedd, in accordance with Standing Order 33.2: 1. Considers the
report of the Business Committee ‘Chair of the Wales Audit Office (WAO)
Board’ laid in the Table
Office on 8 July 2020. 2. Approves the
proposals to amend Standing Order 18, as set out in Annex A of the report of
the Business Committee. The result was as
follows:
The motion was agreed. |
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Motion to amend Standing Orders: The Electoral Commission and the Llywydd's Committee NDM7352 Elin
Jones (Ceredigion) To propose that the Senedd, in accordance
with Standing Order 33.2: 1. Considers the report of the Business
Committee ‘Standing Order 18B – Oversight of the Electoral Commission’ laid
in the Table Office on 8 July 2020. 2. Approves the proposals to introduce a
new Standing Order 18B, and amend Standing Order 17 as set out in Annex B of
the report of the Business Committee. Minutes: The item started at 15.56 Voting on the
motion under this item was deferred until Voting Time. NDM7352 Elin
Jones (Ceredigion) To propose that the
Senedd, in accordance with Standing Order 33.2: 1. Considers the
report of the Business Committee ‘Standing Order 18B – Oversight of the
Electoral Commission’ laid in the Table Office on 8 July 2020. 2. Approves the
proposals to introduce a new Standing Order 18B, and amend Standing Order 17 as
set out in Annex B of the report of the Business Committee. The result was as
follows:
The motion was agreed. At 16.57, the
meeting was suspended until 17.03 |
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Finance Committee debate - The Welsh Government's Spending Priorities for the Draft Budget 2021-22, in light of Covid-19 NDM7351 Llyr Gruffydd (North Wales) To propose that the Senedd: Considers the spending priorities for the
Welsh Government’s Draft Budget 2021-22. Scrutiny of the Welsh Government Draft Budget 2021-22
Digital Engagement Summary Note, June 2020 Minutes: The item started at 17.03 NDM7351 Llyr
Gruffydd (North Wales) To propose that the
Senedd: Considers the
spending priorities for the Welsh Government’s Draft Budget 2021-22. The motion was
agreed in accordance with Standing Order 12.36. |
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Children, Young People and Education Committee debate - The impact of the Covid-19 outbreak on children and young people in Wales NDM7354 Lynne
Neagle (Torfaen) To propose that the Senedd: Notes the Children, Young People and
Education Committee Interim Report - Impact of Covid-19 on children and young
people, which was laid
in the Table Office on 8 July 2020. Minutes: The item started at 18.01 NDM7354 Lynne Neagle (Torfaen) To propose that the
Senedd: Notes the Children,
Young People and Education Committee Interim Report - Impact of Covid-19 on
children and young people, which was laid in the Table
Office on 8 July 2020 The motion was
agreed in accordance with Standing Order 12.36. |
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(60 mins) |
Plaid Cymru debate - An Independent Wales NDM7356 Sian
Gwenllian (Arfon) To propose that the Senedd: 1. Notes that the people of Wales have
welcomed the ability for Wales to act independently during the coronavirus
crisis. 2. Recognises the success of independent
countries of a similar size to Wales in dealing with the virus. 3. Believes that independence would give
Wales greater agility and resilience in responding to future challenges. 4. Notes the increased support for an
independent Scotland and a united Ireland. 5. Affirms the right of the people of Wales
to decide whether Wales should become an independent country. 6. Calls on the
Welsh Government to seek the constitutional right to allow the Senedd to
legislate during the next term to hold a binding referendum on independence. Amendment 1 - Darren
Millar (Clwyd West) Delete all and replace with: To propose that the Senedd: 1. Supports Welsh devolution. 2. Recognises the benefits to Wales of
being part of the United Kingdom. 3. Welcomes the significant support made
available by Her Majesty’s Government to assist in the response to the
coronavirus pandemic in Wales, including: a) £2.8 billion allocated to support
interventions in devolved matters; b) support for more than 316,500 jobs via a
Coronavirus Job Retention Scheme; c) support for more than 102,000 people via
the Self-Employed Income Support Scheme; d) emergency finance for the steel
industry; e) a Job Retention Bonus to encourage
employers to protect the jobs of furloughed workers; f) a Kickstart Scheme for young job
seekers; g) a reduction in VAT for tourism and
hospitality businesses; h) an Eat Out to Help Out scheme to help
cafes, restaurants and pubs; and i) funding to decarbonise UK Government
public sector buildings in Wales. 4. Calls on the Welsh Government to
continue to cooperate with Her Majesty’s Government to protect lives and
livelihoods in Wales during the coronavirus pandemic. [If Amendment 1 is agreed amendments 2, 3
and 4 will be de-selected] Amendment 2 - Neil
Hamilton (Mid and West Wales) Delete all and replace with: To propose that the Senedd: Believes that: a) by any reasonable measure, devolution
has failed; and b) support for scrapping the Senedd exceeds
support for Wales' political independence from the UK. Amendment 3 - Gareth
Bennett (South Wales Central) Delete all and replace with: To propose that the Senedd: 1. Notes that the different lockdown
policies introduced by different governments across the United Kingdom have led
to confusion. 2. Recognises that the only real economic
resilience Wales enjoys is as part of the United Kingdom. 3. Notes the Scottish independence
referendum in 2014, which resulted in Scotland voting to remain as part of the
United Kingdom. 4. Affirms the right of the people of Wales
to decide whether Wales continues to have a devolved government. 5. Calls on the Welsh Government to seek
the constitutional right to allow the Senedd to legislate during the next term
to hold a binding referendum on whether we keep or abolish the devolved
government and parliament of Wales. [If Amendment 3 is agreed amendment 4 will
be de-selected] Amendment 4 - Rebecca
Evans (Gower) Delete all and replace with: To propose that the Senedd: 1. Welcomes the Welsh Government’s strong
and effective leadership during the COVID-19 pandemic; 2. Considers that co-ordinated
decision-making and messaging by the four administrations within the United
Kingdom will most effectively address the challenges the pandemic presents for
our citizens and businesses; and 3. Believes that Wales’s interests are best
served by its continuing membership of a reformed United Kingdom, allowing
co-ordinated governmental action to be pursued. Amendment 5 - Neil
Hamilton (Mid and West Wales) Add as a new point at end of motion: Believes that the Senedd should be
scrapped. Amendment 6 - Neil
Hamilton (Mid and West Wales) Add as a new point at end of motion: Calls on Welsh Government to seek the
constitutional right to allow the Senedd to legislate during the next term to
hold a binding referendum on its disestablishment. Amendment 7 - Neil
McEvoy (South Wales Central) Add as new point at end of motion: Believes that Wales should have its own
constitution and bill of rights. Amendment 8 - Neil
McEvoy (South Wales Central) Add as new point at end of motion: Believes that Welsh sovereignty should be
exercised at a community and national level, including use of binding
referendums through a public right of initiative. Minutes: The item started at
18.56 Voting
on the motion and amendments under this item was deferred until Voting Time. A
vote was taken on the motion without amendment: NDM7356 Sian
Gwenllian (Arfon) To
propose that the Senedd: 1.
Notes that the people of Wales have welcomed the ability for Wales to act
independently during the coronavirus crisis. 2.
Recognises the success of independent countries of a similar size to Wales in
dealing with the virus. 3.
Believes that independence would give Wales greater agility and resilience in
responding to future challenges. 4.
Notes the increased support for an independent Scotland and a united Ireland. 5.
Affirms the right of the people of Wales to decide whether Wales should become
an independent country. 6.
Calls on the Welsh Government to seek the constitutional right to allow the
Senedd to legislate during the next term to hold a binding referendum on
independence.
The motion without amendment was not
agreed. The
following amendments were tabled: Amendment 1 - Darren
Millar (Clwyd West) Delete all and
replace with: To propose that the
Senedd: 1. Supports Welsh
devolution. 2. Recognises the
benefits to Wales of being part of the United Kingdom. 3. Welcomes the
significant support made available by Her Majesty’s Government to assist in the
response to the coronavirus pandemic in Wales, including: a) £2.8 billion
allocated to support interventions in devolved matters; b) support for more
than 316,500 jobs via a Coronavirus Job Retention Scheme; c) support for more
than 102,000 people via the Self-Employed Income Support Scheme; d) emergency
finance for the steel industry; e) a Job Retention
Bonus to encourage employers to protect the jobs of furloughed workers; f) a Kickstart
Scheme for young job seekers; g) a reduction in
VAT for tourism and hospitality businesses; h) an Eat Out to
Help Out scheme to help cafes, restaurants and pubs; and i) funding to
decarbonise UK Government public sector buildings in Wales. 4. Calls on the
Welsh Government to continue to cooperate with Her Majesty’s Government to
protect lives and livelihoods in Wales during the coronavirus pandemic. A vote was taken on
amendment 1:
Amendment 1 was not agreed. Amendment 2 - Neil
Hamilton (Mid and West Wales) Delete all and
replace with: To propose that the
Senedd: Believes that: a) by any reasonable
measure, devolution has failed; and b) support for
scrapping the Senedd exceeds support for Wales' political independence from the
UK. A vote was taken on
amendment 2:
Amendment 2 was not agreed. Amendment 3 - Gareth
Bennett (South Wales Central) Delete all and replace with: To propose that the Senedd: 1. Notes that the different lockdown policies introduced by different
governments across the United Kingdom have led to confusion. 2. Recognises that the only real economic resilience Wales enjoys is as
part of the United Kingdom. 3. Notes the Scottish independence referendum in 2014, which resulted in
Scotland voting to remain as part of the United Kingdom. 4. Affirms the right of the people of Wales to decide whether Wales
continues to have a devolved government. 5. Calls on the Welsh Government to seek the constitutional right to
allow the Senedd to legislate during the next term to hold a binding referendum
on whether we keep or abolish the devolved government and parliament of Wales. A vote was taken on
amendment 3:
Amendment 3 was not agreed. Amendment 4 - Rebecca
Evans (Gower) Delete all and replace with: To propose that the Senedd: 1. Welcomes the Welsh Government’s strong and effective leadership during
the COVID-19 pandemic; 2. Considers that co-ordinated decision-making and messaging by the four
administrations within the United Kingdom will most effectively address the
challenges the pandemic presents for our citizens and businesses; and 3. Believes that Wales’s interests are best served by its continuing
membership of a reformed United Kingdom, allowing co-ordinated governmental
action to be pursued. A vote was taken on
amendment 4:
Amendment 4 was agreed. Amendment 5 - Neil
Hamilton (Mid and West Wales) Add as a new point at end of motion: Believes that the Senedd should be scrapped. A vote was taken on
amendment 5:
Amendment 5 was not agreed. Amendment 6 - Neil
Hamilton (Mid and West Wales) Add as a new point at end of motion: Calls on Welsh Government to seek the constitutional right to allow the
Senedd to legislate during the next term to hold a binding referendum on its
disestablishment. A vote was taken on
amendment 6:
Amendment 6 was not agreed. Amendment 7 - Neil
McEvoy (South Wales Central) Add as new point at end of motion: Believes that Wales should have its own constitution and bill of rights. A vote was taken on
amendment 7:
Amendment 7 was not agreed. Amendment 8 - Neil
McEvoy (South Wales Central) Add as new point at end of motion: Believes that Welsh sovereignty should be exercised at a community and
national level, including use of binding referendums through a public right of
initiative. A vote was taken on
amendment 8:
Amendment 8 was not agreed. A
vote was taken on the motion as amended: NDM7356 Sian
Gwenllian (Arfon) To
propose that the Senedd: 1. Welcomes the Welsh Government’s strong and effective leadership during
the COVID-19 pandemic; 2. Considers that co-ordinated decision-making and messaging by the four
administrations within the United Kingdom will most effectively address the
challenges the pandemic presents for our citizens and businesses; and 3. Believes that Wales’s interests are best served by its continuing
membership of a reformed United Kingdom, allowing co-ordinated governmental
action to be pursued.
The motion as amended was agreed. |
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Voting Time Minutes: In accordance with
Standing Order 34.14D, at 19.58 proceedings were suspended to allow a technical
break before voting time. The item started at
20.07 |
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