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Meetings

Children (Abolition of Defence of Reasonable Punishment) (Wales) Bill

This page gives details of any meetings held which will, or did, discuss the matter, and includes links to the relevant Papers, Agendas and Minutes.

Note: Meeting Agenda can change at short notice. Particularly where future meeting dates are indicated more than a week in advance. Please check before planning to attend a Committee Meeting that the item you are interested in has not been moved.

Meeting: 21/01/2020 - Plenary (Item 7.)

Debate: Stage 3 of the Children (Abolition of the Defence of Reasonable Punishment) (Wales) Bill

The amendments have been grouped for the purposes of debate and the groupings will be debated as follows:

1.   Duty to promote public awareness

1, 2, 3, 4, 5

2. Reporting requirements

6, 11

3. Duty to ensure sufficient funding

7, 8

4. Regulation-making powers in the Bill

9

5.   Commencement

10

Supporting Documents
Children (Abolition of Defence of Reasonable Punishment) (Wales) Bill
Explanatory Memorandum
Marshalled list of amendments
Groupings of Amendments


Meeting: 16/01/2020 - Children, Young People and Education Committee (Item 4.4)

4.4 Letter from Deputy Minister for Health and Social Services - Laying of the updated Explanatory Memorandum in relation to the Children (Abolition of Defence of Reasonable Punishment) (Wales) Bill

Supporting documents:


Meeting: 16/01/2020 - Children, Young People and Education Committee (Item 4.3)

4.3 Letter from the Deputy Minister for Health and Social Services - Update on progress obtaining reliable social services data highlighted in the Regulatory Impact Assessment of the Children (Abolition of Defence of Reasonable Punishment) (Wales) Bill

Supporting documents:


Meeting: 15/01/2020 - Finance Committee (Item 3.2)

3.2 Letter from the Deputy Minister for Health and Social Services on the Children (Abolition of Defence of Reasonable Punishment) (Wales) Bill - 7 January 2020

Supporting documents:


Meeting: 13/01/2020 - Constitutional and Legislative Affairs Committee (Item 5)

5 Letter from the Deputy Minister for Health and Social Services: Children (Abolition of Defence of Reasonable Punishment) (Wales) Bill

CLA(5)-02-20 Paper 10 - Letter from the Deputy Minister for Health and Social Services, 7 January 2020

Supporting documents:

Minutes:

The Committee noted the letter from the Deputy Minister for Health and Social Services.


Meeting: 08/01/2020 - Children, Young People and Education Committee (Item 4)

4 Letter from the Deputy Minister for Health and Social Services to Strategic Implementation Group - Update on Stage 3 amendments to the Children (Abolition of Defence of Reasonable Punishment) (Wales) Bill

Supporting documents:


Meeting: 08/01/2020 - Children, Young People and Education Committee (Item 4)

4 Letter from the Deputy Minister for Health and Social Services - Update on Stage 3 amendments to the Children (Abolition of Defence of Reasonable Punishment) (Wales) Bill

Supporting documents:


Meeting: 24/10/2019 - Children, Young People and Education Committee (Item 2)

Children (Abolition of Defence of Reasonable Punishment) (Wales) Bill - Stage 2 Proceedings

Julie Morgan AM, Deputy Minister for Health and Social Services

Karen Cornish, Deputy Director Children and Families Division – Welsh Government

Emma Gammon, Lawyer – Welsh Government

 

 

In accordance with Standing Order 26.21, the order of consideration for Stage 2 proceedings will be: Sections 1 to 3; Long title.

 

Documents relevant to Stage 2 proceedings are available on the Bill page.

 

There will be break at an appropriate time during the proceedings

Minutes:

2.1 In accordance with Standing Order 26.21, the Committee disposed of the following amendments to the Bill:

 

Amendment 1A (Janet Finch-Saunders)

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Janet Finch-Saunders

Lynne Neagle

 

Suzy Davies

Hefin David

 

 

Dawn Bowden

 

 

Sian Gwenllian

 

Amendment 1A was not agreed.

 

Amendment 1B (Janet Finch-Saunders)

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Janet Finch-Saunders

Lynne Neagle

 

Suzy Davies

Hefin David

 

 

Dawn Bowden

 

 

Sian Gwenllian

 

Amendment 1B was not agreed.

 

Amendment 1C (Janet Finch-Saunders)

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Janet Finch-Saunders

Lynne Neagle

 

Suzy Davies

Hefin David

 

 

Dawn Bowden

 

 

Sian Gwenllian

 

Amendment 1C was not agreed.

 


Amendment 1D (Janet Finch-Saunders)

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Janet Finch-Saunders

Lynne Neagle

 

Suzy Davies

Hefin David

 

 

Dawn Bowden

 

 

Sian Gwenllian

 

Amendment 1D was not agreed.

 

Amendment 1E (Janet Finch-Saunders)

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Janet Finch-Saunders

Lynne Neagle

 

Suzy Davies

Hefin David

 

 

Dawn Bowden

 

 

Sian Gwenllian

 

Amendment 1E was not agreed.

 

Amendment 1 (Julie Morgan)

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Lynne Neagle

Suzy Davies

 

Hefin David

Janet Finch-Saunders

 

Dawn Bowden

 

 

Sian Gwenllian

 

 

Amendment 1 was agreed.

 

Amendment 2C (Janet Finch-Saunders)

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Janet Finch-Saunders

Lynne Neagle

 

Suzy Davies

Hefin David

 

 

Dawn Bowden

 

 

Sian Gwenllian

 

Amendment 2C was not agreed.

 

Amendment 2A (Suzy Davies)

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Janet Finch-Saunders

Lynne Neagle

 

Suzy Davies

Hefin David

 

 

Dawn Bowden

 

 

Sian Gwenllian

 

Amendment 2A was not agreed.

 

Amendment 2D (Janet Finch-Saunders)

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Janet Finch-Saunders

Lynne Neagle

 

Suzy Davies

Hefin David

 

 

Dawn Bowden

 

 

Sian Gwenllian

 

Amendment 2D was not agreed.

 

Amendment 2E (Janet Finch-Saunders)

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Janet Finch-Saunders

Lynne Neagle

 

Suzy Davies

Hefin David

 

 

Dawn Bowden

 

 

Sian Gwenllian

 

Amendment 2E was not agreed.

 

Amendment 2F (Janet Finch-Saunders)

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Janet Finch-Saunders

Lynne Neagle

 

Suzy Davies

Hefin David

 

 

Dawn Bowden

 

 

Sian Gwenllian

 

Amendment 2F was not agreed.

 

Amendment 2G (Jane Finch-Saunders)

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Janet Finch-Saunders

Lynne Neagle

 

Suzy Davies

Hefin David

 

 

Dawn Bowden

 

 

Sian Gwenllian

 

Amendment 2G was not agreed.

 

Amendment 2H (Janet Finch-Saunders)

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Janet Finch-Saunders

Lynne Neagle

 

Suzy Davies

Hefin David

 

 

Dawn Bowden

 

 

Sian Gwenllian

 

Amendment 2H was not agreed.

 

Amendment 2I (Janet Finch-Saunders)

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Janet Finch-Saunders

Lynne Neagle

 

Suzy Davies

Hefin David

 

 

Dawn Bowden

 

 

Sian Gwenllian

 

Amendment 2I was not agreed.

 

Amendment 2J (Janet Finch-Saunders)

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Janet Finch-Saunders

Lynne Neagle

 

Suzy Davies

Hefin David

 

 

Dawn Bowden

 

 

Sian Gwenllian

 

Amendment 2J was not agreed.

 

Amendment 2K (Janet Finch-Saunders)

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Janet Finch-Saunders

Lynne Neagle

 

Suzy Davies

Hefin David

 

 

Dawn Bowden

 

 

Sian Gwenllian

 

Amendment 2K was not agreed.

 

Amendment 2B (Suzy Davies) was not moved.

 

Amendment 2 (Julie Morgan)

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Lynne Neagle

Suzy Davies

 

Hefin David

Janet Finch-Saunders

 

Dawn Bowden

 

 

Sian Gwenllian

 

 

Amendment 2 was agreed.

 

Amendment 3A (Suzy Davies)

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Janet Finch-Saunders

Lynne Neagle

 

Suzy Davies

Hefin David

 

 

Dawn Bowden

 

 

Sian Gwenllian

 

Amendment 3A was not agreed.

 

Amendment 3 (Julie Morgan) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

 

Amendment 11 (Janet Finch-Saunders)

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Janet Finch-Saunders

Lynne Neagle

 

Suzy Davies

Hefin David

 

 

Dawn Bowden

 

 

Sian Gwenllian

 

Amendment 11 was not agreed.

 

Amendment 12 (Janet Finch-Saunders)

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Janet Finch-Saunders

Lynne Neagle

 

Suzy Davies

Hefin David

 

 

Dawn Bowden

 

 

Sian Gwenllian

 

Amendment 12 was not agreed.

 

Amendment 4 (Julie Morgan)

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Lynne Neagle

Suzy Davies

 

Hefin David

Janet Finch-Saunders

 

Dawn Bowden

 

 

Sian Gwenllian

 

 

Amendment 4 was agreed.

 

Amendment 5 (Julie Morgan)

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Lynne Neagle

Suzy Davies

 

Hefin David

Janet Finch-Saunders

 

Dawn Bowden

 

 

Sian Gwenllian

 

 

Amendment 5 was agreed.

 

Amendment 6 (Julie Morgan) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

 

Amendment 9 (Suzy Davies)

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Janet Finch-Saunders

Lynne Neagle

 

Suzy Davies

Hefin David

 

 

Dawn Bowden

 

 

Sian Gwenllian

 

Amendment 9 was not agreed.

 

Amendment 13 (Janet Finch-Saunders)

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Janet Finch-Saunders

Lynne Neagle

 

Suzy Davies

Hefin David

 

 

Dawn Bowden

 

 

Sian Gwenllian

 

Amendment 13 was not agreed.

 

Amendment 14 (Janet Finch-Saunders)

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Janet Finch-Saunders

Lynne Neagle

 

Suzy Davies

Hefin David

 

 

Dawn Bowden

 

 

Sian Gwenllian

 

Amendment 14 was not agreed.

 

Amendment 7 (Julie Morgan)

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Lynne Neagle

Suzy Davies

 

Hefin David

Janet Finch-Saunders

 

Dawn Bowden

 

 

Sian Gwenllian

 

 

Amendment 7 was agreed.

 

Amendment 10 (Suzy Davies)

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Janet Finch-Saunders

Lynne Neagle

 

Suzy Davies

Hefin David

 

 

Dawn Bowden

 

 

Sian Gwenllian

 

Amendment 10 was not agreed.

 

Amendment 15 (Janet Finch-Saunders)

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Janet Finch-Saunders

Lynne Neagle

 

Suzy Davies

Hefin David

 

 

Dawn Bowden

 

 

Sian Gwenllian

 

Amendment 15 was not agreed.

 

Amendment 16 (Janet Finch-Saunders)

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Janet Finch-Saunders

Lynne Neagle

 

Suzy Davies

Hefin David

 

 

Dawn Bowden

 

 

Sian Gwenllian

 

Amendment 16 was not agreed.

 

Amendment 8 (Julie Morgan) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

2.2 The Chair confirmed that all sections and schedules of the Bill have been deemed agreed, completing Stage 2 proceedings.


Meeting: 23/09/2019 - Constitutional and Legislative Affairs Committee (Item 7)

7 Letter from the Deputy Minister for Health and Social Services to the Chair of the Finance Committee: Children (Abolition of Defence of Reasonable Punishment) (Wales) Bill

CLA(5)-25-19 – Paper 12 – Letter from the Deputy Minister for Health and Social Services to the Chair of the Finance Committee, 13 September 2019

Supporting documents:

Minutes:

The Committee noted the letter from the Deputy Minister for Health and Social Services to the Chair of the Finance Committee.


Meeting: 23/09/2019 - Constitutional and Legislative Affairs Committee (Item 7)

7 Letter from the Deputy Minister for Health and Social Services to the Chair of the Children, Young People and Education Committee: Children (Abolition of Defence of Reasonable Punishment) (Wales) Bill

CLA(5)-25-19 – Paper 11 - Letter from the Deputy Minister for Health and Social Services to the Chair of the Children, Young People and Education Committee, 13 September 2019

Supporting documents:

Minutes:

The Committee noted the letter from the Deputy Minister for Health and Social Services to the Chair of the Children, Young People and Education Committee.


Meeting: 23/09/2019 - Constitutional and Legislative Affairs Committee (Item 7)

7 Letter from the Deputy Minister for Health and Social Services: Children (Abolition of Defence of Reasonable Punishment) (Wales) Bill

CLA(5)-25-19 – Paper 10 – Letter from the Deputy Minister for Health and Social Services, 13 September 2019

Supporting documents:

Minutes:

The Committee noted the letter from the Deputy Minister for Health and Social Services.


Meeting: 17/09/2019 - Plenary (Item 10)

Motion to agree the financial resolution in respect of the Children (Abolition of Defence of Reasonable Punishment) (Wales) Bill

NDM7131 - Julie Morgan (Cardiff North)

To propose that the National Assembly for Wales, for the purposes of any provisions resulting from the Children (Abolition of Defence of Reasonable Punishment) (Wales) Bill, agrees to any increase in expenditure of a kind referred to in Standing Order 26.69, arising in consequence of the Bill.

Minutes:

The item started at 20.00

Voting on the motion under this item was deferred until Voting Time.

NDM7131 - Julie Morgan (Cardiff North)

To propose that the National Assembly for Wales, for the purposes of any provisions resulting from the Children (Abolition of Defence of Reasonable Punishment) (Wales) Bill, agrees to any increase in expenditure of a kind referred to in Standing Order 26.69, arising in consequence of the Bill.

A vote was taken on the motion:

For

Abstain

Against

Total

36

0

15

51

The motion was agreed.

 


Meeting: 17/09/2019 - Plenary (Item 9)

Debate on the General Principles of the Children (Abolition of Defence of Reasonable Punishment) (Wales) Bill

NDM7130 - Julie Morgan (Cardiff North)

To propose that the National Assembly for Wales in accordance with Standing Order 26.11:

Agrees to the general principles of the Children (Abolition of Defence of Reasonable Punishment) (Wales) Bill.

The Children (Abolition of Defence of Reasonable Punishment) (Wales) Bill and Explanatory Memorandum were laid before the Assembly on 25 March 2019;

The report of Children, Young People and Education Committee on the Children (Abolition of Defence of Reasonable Punishment (Wales) Bill was laid before the Assembly on 2 August 2019.

Supporting Documents
The Children, Young People and Education Committee Report
The Constitutional and Legislative Affairs Committee Report
Finance Committee Report

Minutes:

The item started at 18.29

Voting on the motion under this item was deferred until Voting Time.

NDM7130 - Julie Morgan (Cardiff North)

To propose that the National Assembly for Wales in accordance with Standing Order 26.11:

Agrees to the general principles of the Children (Abolition of Defence of Reasonable Punishment) (Wales) Bill.

The Children (Abolition of Defence of Reasonable Punishment) (Wales) Bill and Explanatory Memorandum were laid before the Assembly on 25 March 2019;

The report of Children, Young People and Education Committee on the Children (Abolition of Defence of Reasonable Punishment (Wales) Bill was laid before the Assembly on 2 August 2019.

A vote was taken on the motion:

For

Abstain

Against

Total

36

0

15

51

The motion was agreed.

 


Meeting: 18/07/2019 - Children, Young People and Education Committee (Item 8)

Children (Abolition of Defence of Reasonable Punishment) (Wales) Bill - consideration of draft report

Supporting documents:

Minutes:

8.1 The Committee considered the draft report. Subject to minor amendments the report was agreed. The Committee agreed to publish its report on 2 August.


Meeting: 18/07/2019 - Children, Young People and Education Committee (Item 6)

6 Letter from the Children Commissioner for Wales - Additional information for the Children (Abolition of Defence of Reasonable Punishment) (Wales) Bill

Supporting documents:


Meeting: 18/07/2019 - Children, Young People and Education Committee (Item 6)

6 Letter from the Deputy Minister for Health and Social Services - further information from the meeting on 12 June for the Children (Abolition of Defence of Reasonable Punishment) (Wales) Bill

Supporting documents:


Meeting: 15/07/2019 - Constitutional and Legislative Affairs Committee (Item 7)

7 Children (Abolition of Defence of Reasonable Punishment) (Wales) Bill: Draft report

CLA(5)-23-19 – Paper 11 – Draft report

CLA(5)-23-19 – Paper 12 – Legal advice note

Supporting documents:

Minutes:

The Committee considered and agreed its draft report on the Children (Abolition of Defence of Reasonable Punishment) (Wales) Bill.  Members noted the report would be laid by the required deadline of 2 August 2019.


Meeting: 10/07/2019 - Children, Young People and Education Committee (Item 2)

Children (Abolition of Defence of Reasonable Punishment) (Wales) Bill - consideration of the draft report

Supporting documents:

Minutes:

2.1 The Committee considered the draft report. An amended report would be considered at the meeting on 18 July.


Meeting: 08/07/2019 - Constitutional and Legislative Affairs Committee (Item 10)

10 Children (Abolition of Defence of Reasonable Punishment) (Wales) Bill: Draft report

CLA(5)-22-19 – Paper 29 – Draft report

CLA(5)-22-19 – Paper 30 – Legal advice note

Supporting documents:

Minutes:

The Committee considered its draft report on the Children (Abolition of Defence of Reasonable Punishment) (Wales) Bill, and agreed to consider a further draft at the next meeting.


Meeting: 04/07/2019 - Children, Young People and Education Committee (Item 3)

3 Letter from the Chair to the Deputy Minister - Request for additional information for the Children (Abolition of Defence of Reasonable Punishment) (Wales) Bill

Supporting documents:


Meeting: 04/07/2019 - Children, Young People and Education Committee (Item 3)

3 Letter from the Chair to the Children Commissioner for Wales - Request for additional information for the Children (Abolition of Defence of Reasonable Punishment) (Wales) Bill

Supporting documents:


Meeting: 04/07/2019 - Children, Young People and Education Committee (Item 5)

Children (Abolition of Defence of Reasonable Punishment) (Wales) Bill - consideration of evidence in preparation for the draft report

Dr Chaitanya Joshi, Senior Data Scientist

Dr Louisa Nolan, Lead Data Scientist

Llinos Madeley, Clerk to the Committee

Sîan Thomas, Senedd Research

Supporting documents:

Minutes:

5.1 The Committee received a presentation on the evidence received.


Meeting: 03/07/2019 - Finance Committee (Item 9)

9 Children (Abolition of Defence of Reasonable Punishment) (Wales) Bill: Consideration of draft report

Paper 4 – Draft report on the Children (Abolition of Defence of Reasonable Punishment) (Wales) Bill

Supporting documents:

Minutes:

9.1 The Committee approved the changes to the draft report on the Children (Abolition of Defence of Reasonable Punishment) (Wales) Bill.


Meeting: 24/06/2019 - Constitutional and Legislative Affairs Committee (Item 5)

5 Letter from the Deputy Minister for Health and Social Services: Children (Abolition of Defence of Reasonable Punishment) (Wales) Bill

CLA(5)-20-19 – Paper 9 – Letter from the Deputy Minister for Health and Social Services, 18 June 2019

Supporting documents:

Minutes:

The Committee noted the letter from the Deputy Minister for Health and Social Services.


Meeting: 20/06/2019 - Children, Young People and Education Committee (Item 7)

Children (Abolition of Defence of Reasonable Punishment) (Wales) Bill - consideration of the key issues

Supporting documents:

Minutes:

7.1 The Committee considered the key issues, a draft report would be considered on 10 July.


Meeting: 19/06/2019 - Finance Committee (Item 2)

2 Children (Abolition of Defence of Reasonable Punishment) (Wales) Bill; consideration of draft report

Paper 1 – Draft report on the Children (Abolition of Defence of Reasonable Punishment) (Wales) Bill

Supporting documents:

Minutes:

2.1 The Committee agreed the draft report with minor changes.


Meeting: 13/06/2019 - Finance Committee (Item 2)

2 PTN1 - Letter from the Deputy Minister for Health and Social Services: Children (Abolition of Defence of Reasonable Punishment) (Wales) Bill – 31 May 2019

Supporting documents:


Meeting: 12/06/2019 - Children, Young People and Education Committee (Item 3)

3 Letter from the Deputy Minister for Health and Social Services - additional information following the evidence session on 2 May for the Children (Abolition of Defence of Reasonable Punishment) (Wales) Bill

Supporting documents:


Meeting: 12/06/2019 - Children, Young People and Education Committee (Item 2)

2 Children (Abolition of Defence of Reasonable Punishment) (Wales) Bill - evidence session 12

Julie Morgan AM, Deputy Minister for Health and Social Services

Karen Cornish, Deputy Director – Children & Families Division

Emma Gammon, Lawyer

 

Supporting documents:

Minutes:

2.1 The Committee scrutinised the Deputy Minister.

2.2 The Deputy Minister agreed to provide a note on the following:

  • Information on the contacts made with parents, including details of the messaging used relating to parenting, before the Healthy Child Wales Programme’s 3.5 years pre-school point;
  • A note on the mapping exercise being undertaking in relation to the availability of early years support for parents, to include detail of the mapping process, timescales, and how findings will be taken forward;
  • An update on the Welsh Government’s latest work on out of court disposals, including estimated costs;
  • Figures relating to the frequency with which ‘non-conviction’ information has, and is anticipated to be, disclosed;
  • A note providing further detail on the discussions the Welsh Government referred to holding with the Disclosure and Barring Service (DBS) in relation to the Bill and the disclosure of ‘non-conviction’ information and;
  • A written response to the following questions not reached:
    • How will the WG ensure this Bill protects the youngest children who are unable to voice their experiences?
    • What assessment has been made of whether women, particularly vulnerable women, will be affected disproportionately by this Bill given that they are the primary care giver in many cases?
    • This Bill’s Equality Impact Assessment says: “…there is some limited evidence that children from some ethnic groups may experience physical punishment more frequently due to the parents’ ethnic or cultural origin”; ”Minority ethnic parents face a number of different barriers to accessing services including discrimination; language and cultural barriers and a lack of awareness of services and how to access them” and that Gypsy and Traveller families “may be reluctant to use services for fear of stigma and prejudice; have a lack of trust in service providers and may also have limited literacy”. Please can the WG outline how significant an issue it believes this to be, an provide practical examples of how it will be mitigating these potential impacts?  

 


Meeting: 12/06/2019 - Children, Young People and Education Committee (Item 3)

3 Letter from the Deputy Minister for Health and Social Services - Research report on public awareness and opinion of the Children (Abolition of Defence of Reasonable Punishment) (Wales) Bill

Supporting documents:


Meeting: 12/06/2019 - Children, Young People and Education Committee (Item 3)

3 Letter from the Deputy Minister for Health and Social Services - CAFASS Cymru's response on specific points in relation to the Children (Abolition of Defence of Reasonable Punishment) (Wales) Bill

Supporting documents:


Meeting: 10/06/2019 - Constitutional and Legislative Affairs Committee (Item 3)

3 Letter from the Deputy Minister for Health and Social Services: Children (Abolition of Defence of Reasonable Punishment) (Wales) Bill

CLA(5)-18-19 – Paper 5 – Letter from the Deputy Minister for Health and Social Services, 5 June 2019

Supporting documents:

Minutes:

The Committee noted the correspondence.


Meeting: 06/06/2019 - Children, Young People and Education Committee (Item 2)

2 Children (Abolition of Defence of Reasonable Punishment) (Wales) Bill - evidence session 11

Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) Cymru – Wales

·         Barry Hughes, Chief Crown Prosecutor for Wales

·         Kwame Biney, Senior Policy Advisor, Crown Prosecution Service

·         Iwan Jenkins, Head of Complex Casework Unit, Crown Prosecution Service Wales

 

Supporting documents:

Minutes:

2.1 The Committee heard evidence from the Chief Crown Prosecutor for Wales.


Meeting: 06/06/2019 - Children, Young People and Education Committee (Item 3)

3 Letter from the Chair to the Deputy Minister for Health and Social Services - Children (Abolition of Defence of Reasonable Punishment) (Wales) Bill - request to CAFCASS Cymru for information

Supporting documents:


Meeting: 06/06/2019 - Children, Young People and Education Committee (Item 3)

3 Letter from the Chair to the Business Committee - Children (Abolition of Defence of Reasonable Punishment) (Wales) Bill - request for an extension to the Stage 1 report deadline

Supporting documents:


Meeting: 06/06/2019 - Children, Young People and Education Committee (Item 5)

Children (Abolition of Defence of Reasonable Punishment) (Wales) Bill - consideration of the evidence

Minutes:

5.1 The Committee considered the evidence heard during the evidence.


Meeting: 06/06/2019 - Children, Young People and Education Committee (Item 1)

Children (Abolition of Defence of Reasonable Punishment) (Wales) Bill - Engagement event (Invitee only) (Conference Rooms C and D, Ty Hywel)

The Committee will be meeting with parents and carers in two sessions to discuss the Bill. Attendees have been invited by the Equal Protection Network Cymru and Be Reasonable Wales. This event is not open to the public.  

 

Supporting documents:

Minutes:

 1.1 The Committee met with parents and carers to discuss the Bill.


Meeting: 03/06/2019 - Constitutional and Legislative Affairs Committee (Item 5)

5 Letter from the Deputy Minister for Health and Social Services to the Chair of the Children, Young People and Education Committee: Children (Abolition of Defence of Reasonable Punishment) (Wales) Bill

CLA(5)-17-19 – Paper 8 – Letter from the Deputy Minister for Health and Social Services, 25 April 2019

 

Supporting documents:

Minutes:

The Committee noted the letter from the Deputy Minister for Health and Social Services.

 


Meeting: 03/06/2019 - Constitutional and Legislative Affairs Committee (Item 5)

5 Letter from the Deputy Minister for Health and Social Services to the Chair of the Children, Young People and Education Committee: Children (Abolition of Defence of Reasonable Punishment) (Wales) Bill

CLA(5)-17-19 – Paper 7 – Letter from the Deputy Minister for Health and Social Services, 5 April 2019

Supporting documents:

Minutes:

The Committee noted the letter from the Deputy Minister for Health and Social Services.


Meeting: 03/06/2019 - Constitutional and Legislative Affairs Committee (Item 2)

2 Children (Abolition of Defence of Reasonable Punishment) (Wales) Bill: Evidence session

Julie Morgan AM, Deputy Minister for Health and Social Services

Karen Cornish, Deputy Director Children and Families Division

Emma Gammon, Lawyer

 

CLA(5)-17-19 – Briefing

 

Children (Abolition of Defence of Reasonable Punishment) (Wales) Bill 2019, as introduced

Explanatory Memorandum

 

Supporting documents:

Minutes:

The Committee took evidence from the Deputy Minister for Health and Social Services.

 

The Deputy Minister agreed to write to the Committee to provide further clarification on section 1(4) of the Bill.


Meeting: 22/05/2019 - Children, Young People and Education Committee (Item 7)

Children (Abolition of Defence of Reasonable Punishment) (Wales) Bill - consideration of the evidence

Minutes:

7.1 The Committee considered the evidence heard during the evidence sessions.


Meeting: 22/05/2019 - Children, Young People and Education Committee (Item 3)

3 Children (Abolition of Defence of Reasonable Punishment) (Wales) Bill - evidence session 9

National Independent Safeguarding Board

Jane Randall, Chair – National Independent Safeguarding Board

Jan Pickles, Member – National Independent Safeguarding Board

Supporting documents:

Minutes:

3.1 The Committee heard evidence from the National Independent Safeguarding Board.


Meeting: 22/05/2019 - Children, Young People and Education Committee (Item 4)

4 Children (Abolition of Defence of Reasonable Punishment) (Wales) Bill - evidence session 10

Royal College of Paediatrics and Child Health (RCPCH), Royal College of GP’s (RCGP), Royal College of Nursing (RCN)

Dr Lorna Price, Wales’ representative on the RCPCH’s central Child Protection Committee

Dr Rowena Christmas, representative from the RCGP

Michelle Moseley, representative from the RCN

 

Supporting documents:

Minutes:

4.1 The Committee heard evidence from representatives of the Royal College of GP’s, the Royal College of Nursing, the Royal College of Paediatrics and Child Health.


Meeting: 22/05/2019 - Children, Young People and Education Committee (Item 2)

2 Children (Abolition of Defence of Reasonable Punishment) (Wales) Bill - evidence session 8

NHS Wales representatives

Dave Williams, Divisional Director - Family and Therapy Services, Aneurin Bevan University Health Board

Nicola Edwards, Head of Safeguarding, Swansea Bay University Health Board

Supporting documents:

Minutes:

2.1 The Committee heard evidence from NHS representatives.

2.2 NHS representatives agreed to provide a note on what early intervention support services for families are available within each Heath Board across Wales. 


Meeting: 21/05/2019 - Business Committee (Item 4)

Timetable for the Children (Abolition of Defence of Reasonable Punishment) (Wales) Bill

Supporting documents:

  • Restricted enclosure 168

Minutes:

Business Managers agreed the request from the Committee to extend the stage 1 reporting deadline by 2 weeks.

 


Meeting: 16/05/2019 - Children, Young People and Education Committee (Item 4)

4 Children (Abolition of Reasonable Punishment) (Wales) Bill - Letter from the Welsh Youth Parliament

Supporting documents:


Meeting: 16/05/2019 - Children, Young People and Education Committee (Item 6)

Children (Abolition of Defence of Reasonable Punishment) (Wales) Bill - consideration of the evidence

Minutes:

6.1 The Committee considered the evidence they had heard during sessions.


Meeting: 16/05/2019 - Children, Young People and Education Committee (Item 3)

3 Children (Abolition of Defence of Reasonable Punishment) (Wales) Bill - evidence session 7

British Association of Social Workers (BASW) Cymru

Allison Hulmes, National Director for Wales

 

 

Supporting documents:

Minutes:

3.1 The Committee heard evidence from BASW Cymru.

3.2 The Director agreed to provide a note on the following:

·         Evidence about the escalation from activity below the current threshold for the use of the defence of reasonable punishment to activity considered to be assault

·         BASW Cymru’s involvement to date with the development of the Bill


Meeting: 16/05/2019 - Children, Young People and Education Committee (Item 2)

2 Children (Abolition of Defence of Reasonable Punishment) (Wales) Bill - evidence session 6

Supporting documents:

Minutes:

2.1 The Committee heard evidence from Police representatives.

2.2 Police representatives agreed to provide a note on the current landscape, as they understand it in relation to the development and work of multi-agency safeguarding hubs.


Meeting: 09/05/2019 - Finance Committee (Item 3)

3 Children (Abolition of Defence of Reasonable Punishment) (Wales) Bill: Evidence session

Julie Morgan AM, Deputy Minister for Health and Social Services 

Karen Cornish, Deputy Director, Children and Families Division

Sarah Canning, Head of Legislation, Research and Parenting Branch

 

Paper 1 - Letter from the Deputy Minister for Health and Social Services to the Children, Young People and Education Committee – 5 April 2019

Paper 2 - Letter from the Deputy Minister for Health and Social Services to the Chair of the Children, Young People and Education Committee – 25 April 2019

Children (Abolition of Defence of Reasonable Punishment) (Wales) Bill

Explanatory Memorandum

Research Brief

Supporting documents:

Minutes:

3.1 The Committee took evidence from Julie Morgan AM, Deputy Minister for Health and Social Services; Karen Cornish, Deputy Director, Children and Families Division and Sarah Canning, Head of Legislation, Research and Parenting Branch on the financial implications of the Children (Abolition of Defence of Reasonable Punishment) (Wales) Bill.

 

3.2 The Deputy Minister agreed to provide further information on how the number of cases of reasonable punishment reported to the police was estimated and how this links to the number of prosecutions in Wales each year. 


Meeting: 09/05/2019 - Finance Committee (Item 5)

Children (Abolition of Defence of Reasonable Punishment) (Wales) Bill: Consideration of evidence

Minutes:

5.1 The Committee considered the evidence received.

 


Meeting: 08/05/2019 - Children, Young People and Education Committee (Item 5)

Children (Abolition of Defence of Reasonable Punishment) (Wales) Bill - consideration of the evidence

Minutes:

5.1 The Committee considered the evidence.


Meeting: 08/05/2019 - Children, Young People and Education Committee (Item 2)

2 Children (Abolition of Defence of Reasonable Punishment) (Wales) Bill - evidence session 6

Welsh Local Government Association (WLGA), Association of Directors of Social Services (ADSS) and Association of Directors of Education (ADEW)

Sally Jenkins, Chair of All Wales Heads of Children’s Services and representing ADSS

Alastair Birch, Senior System Leader for Equalities and Safeguarding, Pembrokeshire County Council and representing ADEW

Cllr Huw David, WLGA Spokesperson for Health and Social Care and Leader of Bridgend County Borough Council

 

Supporting documents:

Minutes:

2.1 The Committee heard evidence from the WLGA, ADSS and ADEW.


Meeting: 02/05/2019 - Children, Young People and Education Committee (Item 8)

Children (Abolition of Defence of Reasonable Punishment) (Wales) Bill - Consideration of the evidence

Minutes:

8.1 The Committee considered the evidence heard during the sessions.


Meeting: 02/05/2019 - Children, Young People and Education Committee (Item 6)

6 Letter from the Deputy Minister for Health and Social Services - Children (Abolition of Defence of Reasonable Punishment) (Wales) Bill

Supporting documents:


Meeting: 02/05/2019 - Children, Young People and Education Committee (Item 5)

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Office of the Children’s Commissioner for Wales

Sally Holland, Children’s Commissioner for Wales

Rachel Thomas, Head of Policy and Public Affairs

Supporting documents:

Minutes:

5.1 The Committee heard evidence from the Children’s Commissioner.


Meeting: 02/05/2019 - Children, Young People and Education Committee (Item 6)

6 Letter to the Deputy Minister for Health and Social Services - Children (Abolition of Defence of Reasonable Punishment) (Wales) Bill

Supporting documents:


Meeting: 02/05/2019 - Children, Young People and Education Committee (Item 4)

4 Children (Abolition of Defence of Reasonable Punishment) (Wales) Bill - Evidence session 3

Equal Protection Network Cymru (Successor organisation to the Children are Unbeatable Cymru alliance)

Andy James, Interim Chair- Equal Protection Network Cymru

Catriona Williams OBE, Chief Executive Officer – Children in Wales

Vivienne Laing, Policy and Public Affairs Manager – NSPCC Wales

Menna Thomas, Assistant Director (Policy) – Barnardo’s Cymru

Dr Katherine Shelton, Senior Lecturer in Psychology, Cardiff University and member of Academics for Equal Protection

 

 

Supporting documents:

Minutes:

4.1 The Committee heard evidence from the Equal Protection Network Cymru.

4.2 They agreed to provide a note on the following:

  • details of the evidence cited about the impact of physical and non-physical punishment of children;
  • details of relevant cases in the Republic of Ireland and;
  • details of the evidence cited as rebutting claims that Swedish data had shown a correlation between changes to the law on reasonable punishment and an increase in child-on-child violence.

 

 


Meeting: 02/05/2019 - Children, Young People and Education Committee (Item 3)

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Be Reasonable Wales

Jamie Gillies, spokesman for Be Reasonable

Sally Gobbett, Parent campaigner

Supporting documents:

Minutes:

3.1 The Committee heard evidence from Be Reasonable Wales.

3.2 They agreed to provide a note on the following:

·         details of the evidence cited about the impact of physical and non-physical punishment of children;

·         further detail on the assertion that the defence of reasonable punishment had been invoked three times in nine years in England, including whether wider charges were being brought at the time in those individual cases and;

·         further information on prosecution rates in relation to physical punishment in New Zealand.

 


Meeting: 02/05/2019 - Children, Young People and Education Committee (Item 2)

2 Children (Abolition of Defence of Reasonable Punishment) (Wales) Bill - Evidence session 1

 

Welsh Government

Julie Morgan AM, Deputy Minister for Health and Social Services

Karen Cornish, Deputy Director – Children & Families Division

Emma Gammon, Lawyer

Supporting documents:

Minutes:


Meeting: 28/03/2019 - Children, Young People and Education Committee (Item 2)

Welsh Government technical briefing - Children (Abolition of Defence of Reasonable Punishment) (Wales) Bill

Minutes:

2.1 The Committee received a briefing on the Bill.


Meeting: 28/03/2019 - Children, Young People and Education Committee (Item 3)

Consideration of approach to Children (Abolition of Defence of Reasonable Punishment) (Wales) Bill

Supporting documents:

Minutes:

3.1 The Committee considered its approach to the Bill. Members agreed the following:

 

·         The draft terms of reference for scrutinising the general principles of the Bill at Stage 1;

·         To issue an open call for evidence and write to key stakeholders for written evidence;

·         A schedule of witnesses for oral evidence sessions; and

·         To carry out wider engagement activities with the Welsh Youth Parliament and to invite the two main campaign groups (Children are Unbeatable and Be Reasonable Wales) to facilitate focus groups between Members and adults.


Meeting: 19/03/2019 - Business Committee (Item 4)

Timetable for consideration of the Children (Abolition of Defence of Reasonable Punishment) (Wales) Bill - CYPE response

Supporting documents:

  • Restricted enclosure 233

Minutes:

Business Managers confirmed their in principle decision of 5 March to refer the Bill to the Children, Young People and Education Committee for Stage 1 consideration with a reporting deadline of 19 July. Business Managers agreed a deadline of 8 November 2019 for Stage 2 committee proceedings.

 


 

 

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