Concise Minutes - Public Accounts Committee

Meeting Venue:

Committee Room 3 - Senedd

Meeting date: Monday, 7 October 2019

Meeting time: 13.15 - 15.00
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Assembly Members:

Nick Ramsay AM (Chair)

Mohammad Asghar (Oscar) AM

Gareth Bennett AM

Vikki Howells AM

Rhianon Passmore AM

Adam Price AM

Jenny Rathbone AM


Gawain Evans, Welsh Government

Peter Kennedy, Welsh Government

Shan Morgan, Welsh Government

David Richards, Welsh Government

Wales Audit Office:

Adrian Crompton – Auditor General for Wales

Alison Butler

Mike Usher

Committee Staff:

Fay Bowen (Clerk)

Lowri Barrance (Deputy Clerk)

Joanne McCarthy (Researcher)



1       Introductions, apologies, substitutions and declarations of interest

1.1 The Chair welcomed the Members to the meeting. There were no apologies.



2       Paper(s) to note

2.1 The Committee considered and noted the Welsh Government’s response and agreed to request a comprehensive update on progress made against the recommendations in July 2020.



2.1   Primary care out-of-hours services: Consideration of the Welsh Government Response to the Committee's Report



3       Scrutiny of Accounts 2018-19: Welsh Government - General scrutiny of accounts

3.1 The Committee received evidence from Shan Morgan - Permanent Secretary, Gawain Evans - Director of Finance, Peter Kennedy - HR Director and David Richards - Director of Governance and Ethics, Welsh Government on the scrutiny of the Welsh Government’s Consolidated Accounts 2018-19.

2.2 The Permanent Secretary agreed to:

·         Send a note regarding the Welsh Government’s Non-Executive Directors being able to take on additional roles in addition to their agreed terms;

·         Advise of additional payments made to Non-Executive Directors made in the 2018-19 financial year;

·         Provide more information on loans and investments awarded during the 2018-19 financial year; and

·         Send a note on the underspend which occurred in the capital budget for Gypsies and Travellers.



4       Motion under Standing Order 17.42 to resolve to exclude the public from the remainder of the meeting.

4.1 The motion was agreed.



5       Scrutiny of Accounts: Consideration of evidence received

5.1 Members considered the evidence received.





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